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Gustav Gloomp · Sep 29, 2005, 09:28 AM // 09:28

u were doing nothing wrong,ur skills are good,ur new on the whole rune stacking thing but dont worry everyone was, probably the most accurate response as to why u were getting smashed and ur ally was beating all those monsters at once is the response that cagan gave by saying that maybe ur ally had droknar armor.

blane · Sep 29, 2005, 09:32 AM // 09:32

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Originally Posted by Balrog1978

Hmm..

But dude, I see on ALL items on which Ive applied the runes of absorption..a comment .. Protects from Damage..or something equivalent. I was reading somewhere, that damage in GW is fragmented. ie, on Chest its MAX, lesser on leggings nad helm..and LEAST on boots. Consequently, peeps suggest wearing Knights boots against Gladiators.. Wont the same ideology apply for runes? If i apply runes on Chest armor..i get MAX benefit for attacks(-1 damage)..ditto for helm and leggings...if I apply runes there...

Or have I got this logic wrong?

Both Absorption Rune and knight armor's damage reductions are global. That means you will receive the damage reduction wherever the attack land on(chest,legs,hands or head).

AWC Sandman · Sep 29, 2005, 09:38 AM // 09:38

How often were you using frenzy, while its active I think you take double damage of lose alot of armour. I'm geussing that could be the difference

Balrog1978 · Sep 29, 2005, 09:44 AM // 09:44

OOOkies...
Good learning here...
One superior rune of each should be sufficient.
One knights armor item..will be good ..rest Gladiator seemz fine.
ty every1..will save up for da runes..

I ALSO learnt i lost 500g on runes that we'rent needed Grrrrr..

aNd INGRAM!!!! HOOOLEY CRIKEY ..where DID u find that staff??

Balrog1978 · Sep 29, 2005, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by AWC Sandman

How often were you using frenzy, while its active I think you take double damage of lose alot of armour. I'm geussing that could be the difference

Thats a GOOD point dude..
I use Frenzy a LOT...Is that bad???Tho I try 2 use it when the mobs are going after some1 else..

AWC Sandman · Sep 29, 2005, 09:57 AM // 09:57

beserker stance is alot better imho, but frenzy is alright as long as you remember to use a skill to cancel it when mobs turn on you

striderkaaru · Sep 29, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Balrog1978

ahhh sorry..
I meant..3 items RoA and 2 Items RoV
1 Rune of absorption on helm
1 Rune of absorption on Chest armor
1 Rune of absorption on boots
1 Rune of Vigor on gauntlets
1 Rune of Vigor on Sword(i think..)

Hmm as for skills, I use :-

For Great Justice
Server Artery
Gash
Frenzy
Power Attack
WildBlow
HealingSignet
Endure Pain

any updates with this?????? I dont use any tactics except FGJ!!!!

PS: I NEVER stacked up any runes...how did THAT start????

hmm... it seems like your question hasn't been fully answered yet.

to re-iterate what people have said, you only need 1 rune of each kind. so, the other absorption runes are being wasted. here is my suggestion:

-1 absorption rune (whichever you can afford)
-1 vigor rune (whichever you can afford)
-1 minor swordsmanship rune
-1 minor strength rune
-1 minor tactics rune

that should cover all 5 pieces of your armor. whatever you do, DO NOT get 3 superior attribute runes. each one has a -75 hp penalty, and you will die very quickly if you have those. pve and pvp are entirely different, and the -75 hp is not worth it since your main role in pve is to tank. you can't do that with only 300 hp.

regarding your skills, i'm surprised you're even asking why you can't tank as well with those. aside from healing signet and endure pain, all of your skills are attack skills. right now, you are set up for dealing damage, not for tanking.

keep in mind that endure pain is not a tanking skill. it is a last ditch survival skill. once it ends, you LOSE that hp. so, using it in the middle of battle is risky. also, keep in mind that you lose -40 armor while using healing signet. using that while getting hit is not a very smart thing to do, since you will most likely be losing the health you are trying to heal anyway. also, you take more damage while using frenzy.

so in reality, you are actually set up to take more damage than you should, not to tank. that is why you are dying so fast.

if you really want to tank, drop strength and invest in tactics. drop endure pain and frenzy and put in some stances from the tactics line. remember to use healing signet only when you are not being attacked. run away a little bit if you have to. -40 armor sucks when you are trying to heal yourself.

on a last note, i see that you're not using any elem skills, which is a waste. try to look at what skills you have and see how you can work them in.

seriously though, read skill descriptions and try to build a skillset that works.

kawaii_bat · Sep 29, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Ok let's make things clear:

Runes do not stack!
If you have 3 runes of minor absorption it will *always* act like you put on one.
Same thing with every other runes. The highest number get's priority. So if you have 2 minor and a major absorption, it will act as if you only have 1 major rune...etc...

Runes affect your whole body not just the part you put it on.
Now that you have 3 more free spaces to put runes put on a rune of swordsmanship, tactics and strength instead of those 3 other minor absorption runes.

You'll either have to salvage your minor absorption back (destroying your armor) or you just put the new runes on and loose the old ones.

The damage you take depends on your armor.
There are earth skills which you can use to strengthen your armor (armor of earth or ward against elements).

Use a shield
Do you have a shield? Or a focus? If the answer is focus then that would be your problem. I've had a warrior use a focus before in a high level mission and he was constantly dying until i *Ordered* him to put his shield on.

Shields give +(the number they give) to all parts of you armor as long as you are facing the monster that is attacking you. If a monster is attacking you from behind you will take damage as if you did not have a shield.
The max armor bonus a shield gives is 16.

melbo · Sep 29, 2005, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

Think of it like getting infused. you only need 1 run to get all parts of your armor infused, right? (I know, I Know... wasn't always that way... but I'm trying to show the example)

Well the same is true for a vigor and absorption rune. It is used once on any piece of armor, and then applies to your entire set.

Now with knights armor. They also have an -1 absorption factor built into them without the rune. So with the superior rune on one piece. your entire set would get -4 reduction from melee. As long as its all the knight armor that is. Otherwise the different piece would have -3 from just the rune.

Ascalon armor does the same thing. I have all gladiators armor except for one piece of Ascalon.

badd · Sep 29, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

get rid of frenzy.

badd · Sep 29, 2005, 07:58 PM // 19:58

get rid of frenzy.

dya · Sep 30, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Since you are a W/e, use armor of earth and "watch yourself" if you have them (not sure how late ingame to get them). Dolyak sig would'nt hurt either, but armor of earth+dolyak will have you moving at half the speed of smell. With 12 earth (my war had it that high once), you should be getting around 80ish AL

Balrog1978 · Sep 30, 2005, 07:29 AM // 07:29

Hmm,
I DO have armor of earth and watch your self.
@striderkaaru : Thats sums it up. I can see where ur going...I WAS gathering all attention with complete Damage based skill sets with nothing to buff me to prepare for an imminent onslaught!! ty for post dude!!

@kwaii : I was using a focus item, swapped it for a nifty shield. Ur right, the difference is noticeable

@dya : Good point dude, sstriderkaaru suggested the same, have dropped endure pain for Tactics!!!

Seems the best bet in survival is maxing out the AL and trying to deal out damage. Unbalancing one of these is catastrophic!!!!
Cool feedback guys!!!!

=HT=Ingram · Oct 02, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

The staff I use stared of and a smiting staff of enchanting. I found a Hale Head and a wrapping of fortitude, Both in the fire islands missions... I then just replaced the existing upgrades on my max dmg staff and off I went... That is my primary staff now, with customization... it really is a good weapon. Even if it isn't GOLG or Green... I said it before. Its about what you can do with the weapon. not what color it is...

when I say 20%. I mean 20% chance of... sorry. I thought that was implied...

Shmash Witdaclub · Oct 03, 2005, 05:05 PM // 17:05

man you will get there in time just atke it easy as you are still pretty new to the game.

in time you will get more skills which are - more than likely - much better than the ones you have. you will also get more money, so you will be able to afford those expensive superior runes. and you will find yourself some nice weapons.

are you doing really anything wrong with your build? nah, you still have a long way to go and a lot to build on and learn from - ie rune stacking.

Shmash

Ps - i hope since you are using earth you will be switching to hammer soon...

Oct 02, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44	#34
=HT=Ingram Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Guild: Haz Team [HT] Profession: R/W	The staff I use stared of and a smiting staff of enchanting. I found a Hale Head and a wrapping of fortitude, Both in the fire islands missions... I then just replaced the existing upgrades on my max dmg staff and off I went... That is my primary staff now, with customization... it really is a good weapon. Even if it isn't GOLG or Green... I said it before. Its about what you can do with the weapon. not what color it is... when I say 20%. I mean 20% chance of... sorry. I thought that was implied... Last edited by =HT=Ingram; Oct 02, 2005 at 06:47 PM // 18:47..

Oct 03, 2005, 05:05 PM // 17:05	#35
Shmash Witdaclub Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Profession: W/E	man you will get there in time just atke it easy as you are still pretty new to the game. in time you will get more skills which are - more than likely - much better than the ones you have. you will also get more money, so you will be able to afford those expensive superior runes. and you will find yourself some nice weapons. are you doing really anything wrong with your build? nah, you still have a long way to go and a lot to build on and learn from - ie rune stacking. Shmash Ps - i hope since you are using earth you will be switching to hammer soon... Last edited by Shmash Witdaclub; Oct 03, 2005 at 05:06 PM // 17:06.. Reason: sp

Sep 29, 2005, 09:28 AM // 09:28	#21
Gustav Gloomp Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia	u were doing nothing wrong,ur skills are good,ur new on the whole rune stacking thing but dont worry everyone was, probably the most accurate response as to why u were getting smashed and ur ally was beating all those monsters at once is the response that cagan gave by saying that maybe ur ally had droknar armor.

Sep 29, 2005, 09:38 AM // 09:38	#23
AWC Sandman Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Armageddon Warriors Clan Profession: N/Mo	How often were you using frenzy, while its active I think you take double damage of lose alot of armour. I'm geussing that could be the difference

Sep 29, 2005, 09:44 AM // 09:44	#24
Balrog1978 Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Guild: Chi Profession: W/E	OOOkies... Good learning here... One superior rune of each should be sufficient. One knights armor item..will be good ..rest Gladiator seemz fine. ty every1..will save up for da runes.. I ALSO learnt i lost 500g on runes that we'rent needed Grrrrr.. aNd INGRAM!!!! HOOOLEY CRIKEY ..where DID u find that staff??

Sep 29, 2005, 09:57 AM // 09:57	#26
AWC Sandman Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Armageddon Warriors Clan Profession: N/Mo	beserker stance is alot better imho, but frenzy is alright as long as you remember to use a skill to cancel it when mobs turn on you

Sep 29, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33	#28
kawaii_bat Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada, Gatineau Guild: None Profession: Mo/R	Ok let's make things clear: Runes do not stack! If you have 3 runes of minor absorption it will always act like you put on one. Same thing with every other runes. The highest number get's priority. So if you have 2 minor and a major absorption, it will act as if you only have 1 major rune...etc... Runes affect your whole body not just the part you put it on. Now that you have 3 more free spaces to put runes put on a rune of swordsmanship, tactics and strength instead of those 3 other minor absorption runes. You'll either have to salvage your minor absorption back (destroying your armor) or you just put the new runes on and loose the old ones. The damage you take depends on your armor. There are earth skills which you can use to strengthen your armor (armor of earth or ward against elements). Use a shield Do you have a shield? Or a focus? If the answer is focus then that would be your problem. I've had a warrior use a focus before in a high level mission and he was constantly dying until i Ordered him to put his shield on. Shields give +(the number they give) to all parts of you armor as long as you are facing the monster that is attacking you. If a monster is attacking you from behind you will take damage as if you did not have a shield. The max armor bonus a shield gives is 16.

Sep 29, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48	#30
badd Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Philly Profession: W/Mo	get rid of frenzy.

Sep 29, 2005, 07:58 PM // 19:58	#31
badd Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Philly Profession: W/Mo	get rid of frenzy.

Sep 30, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26	#32
dya Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fatal Alliance Profession: W/Mo	Since you are a W/e, use armor of earth and "watch yourself" if you have them (not sure how late ingame to get them). Dolyak sig would'nt hurt either, but armor of earth+dolyak will have you moving at half the speed of smell. With 12 earth (my war had it that high once), you should be getting around 80ish AL

Sep 30, 2005, 07:29 AM // 07:29	#33
Balrog1978 Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Guild: Chi Profession: W/E	Hmm, I DO have armor of earth and watch your self. @striderkaaru : Thats sums it up. I can see where ur going...I WAS gathering all attention with complete Damage based skill sets with nothing to buff me to prepare for an imminent onslaught!! ty for post dude!! @kwaii : I was using a focus item, swapped it for a nifty shield. Ur right, the difference is noticeable @dya : Good point dude, sstriderkaaru suggested the same, have dropped endure pain for Tactics!!! Seems the best bet in survival is maxing out the AL and trying to deal out damage. Unbalancing one of these is catastrophic!!!! Cool feedback guys!!!!